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File: Seesaw Game.jpeg -(378016 B, 1352x1920) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size.
378016 No.19485  

RAW: http://www.mediafire.com/download/5y6otgyt34cd3rn

>> No.21876  

Could you make the file public?

>> No.21879  

>>21876
What for?

>> No.21883  

I thought I maybe could translate but really didn't want to create a mediafire account. Never mind, though.

>> No.21884  

>>21876
http://salefiles.com/zizb5pzmoaqg

>> No.22247  

salefiles is a pain, so here's a mediafire mirror

http://www.mediafire.com/file/txvwf1brj7pcoay/Seesaw%20Game%20%28Takemiya%20Jin%29.zip

I can start editing right away as long as someone here begins to translate it.

>> No.25834  
File: Seesaw Game.txt -(42786 B, 0x0) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size.

Here is the TL for Seesaw game - a full volume of cute school girl stories by Takemiya Jin. Content warning: Takemiya likes happy endings, Ghost pimp, Age gap and height gap.

>> No.25977  
>Takemiya Jin
>ghosts

Say no more, I will edit this.

>> No.25978  

Woot!

>> No.25982  

>>25978

>page 7
>And sometimes I dream about them.
>When they went far away, it really made me sad.
>It’s been so many years now, but I just haven’t been able to forget them.

Why not "she/her" rather than "they/them"? Colloquially one might say the latter when sex in unknown, but does she really not know her beloved childhood friend was a girl?

>> No.25983  

Also these are the fonts I chose.
dialogue - fuzzybubblesrob
narration - chinacat
asides - christine

I'll post more questions when I reach them.

>> No.25984  
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>>25983
page with fonts for example

>> No.25986  

>>25984
Seems good! One thing I'd recommend is having a unique thought bubble font. You can take the dialogue font and italicize it if there's a version available, or faux italicize it in PS, or use a lower weight, just to name a few options.

>> No.25987  

>>25984
Before editing you should try to denoise all pages to get rid of jpg artifacts.

>> No.25988  

>>25987
I personally never notice nor care, but I will apply a small surface blur and edit out any obvious speckles.

>> No.25989  

>>25988
Denoising should be standard practice when working with digital raws. Running the chapter through waifu2x-ncnn-vulkan is very little effort for a significant visual improvement, and to my knowledge does not have any particular GPU requirements.

>> No.25990  

>>25989
I'll check it out

>> No.25991  
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>>25989
I still notice no difference. This is the original page.

>> No.25992  
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>>25991
and this is with the default level of denoise

>> No.25993  
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>>25992
This is 4 clicks up the denoise levels. Is there a recommended level I should use?

>> No.25994  

>>25993
Generally, jpeg artifacts typically appear around where two colors meet. So in manga like this, they're all over the outsides of bubbles, as well as on all of the linework. If you compare the default denoise, you can see that it turns the artifacts into a smooth, very light gray. The denoise 4 completely turns it to white. Generally, the latter is better, but more aggressive denoising can sometimes have adverse effects, particularly on screentones. In this case, I'd say just go with the denoise 4 option.

>> No.25995  

>>25994
I see it now that you point it out.
I'm running everything through the max (3, or 0+3 = 4).

>> No.26012  
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I would appreciate some clarification on how the text fits in the second bubble here. Not sure where the text goes.

—26
-2

I was dreaming, huh…?

This is…
This is the Nurse’s office…

>> No.26013  

>>26012

"I was dreaming" is in the bubble.

>> No.26015  

I made a few tiny changes to the script to make it sound more natural, in my opinion. The first and most major being what I mentioned before on 7 with the they/them to she/her.
Some rare places I've added subjects to make it sound more natural. An example is pg.12 "can't believe it" to "I can't believe it".
A few places I've added period to things which were functionally complete sentences.
I can of course change these back. I don't know Japanese.

Word effects which are "artsy" I kept intact and added a translation beside. Example page 9 "slump".

Anyway, here it is. Let me know if anything looks to need adjustment.
https://files.catbox.moe/jv5q1w.zip

>> No.26016  

>>26015
And by "here it is" I mean "here is the first chapter only".

>> No.26018  
File: Seesaw Game Ch1 QC1.txt -(3026 B, 0x0) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size.

>>26015
Heya! Good work on this.

I've tried to keep this round of QC focused on things that are either errors or easy stylistic adjustments. The main thing you'll see here is that you tend to remove all of the framing and blush lines that surround SFX/floating text, I'm guessing because you thought they were part of the text.

If you have any questions or concerns, please let me know. I'll help as much as I can. And if you feel overwhelmed, that's okay, we can pull back a bit and stick to the basics, or figure out a different approach if necessary (e.g. if you're struggling with a redraw, I don't mind helping out with that).

I've intentionally avoided any stylistic suggestions for now, as it would massively bloat the length and intensity of the QC, which has a tendency to scare people away. However, if you're looking to make improvements personally and to the work, I would be more than happy to guide you along that path. It'd mainly come in the form of font suggestions, adding expressiveness via text layout, size, and shaping, redrawing fixes, and so on. All that said, I want to be clear that you have very good fundamentals here, so even if we don't go down that path, I'd still be content with releasing it.

>> No.26021  

>>26018
Haha, I think you're just a perfectionist. I don't personally feel the need for it to be pixel perfect.

It's true that I don't intend to totally redraw anything. I will clone stamp and copy textures but I am not an artist. There really isn't all that much here aside from a few places where there are some light gaps in lines on characters' hair.

I tried rewriting that awkward narration on pg.23 without knowing any of the original Japanese.

Here's the update:
https://files.catbox.moe/e9sqh6.zip

>> No.26022  

>>26021
Oh, and I'll just type out here what I guessed at for that translations so boke doesn't have to download the whole zip if curiosity strikes.

>After ten years,
>these same feelings...
>I'm just now realizing
>That it was first love.

And as I type that I see I would want to lowercase the first letter of that last line.
Oh well, I'll do that for whatever translation we decide upon.

>> No.26024  

For style differences like that, you can just go do it. If you want to change the wording of a line, I like to discuss it, but formatting I'll leave to you.

>> No.26025  

>>26024
Buried in Martin's QC doc there is a note about how that awkward line in pg. 26 needs to be updated. I just changed it to something I thought sounded better while I was there. Your input as the actual translator is desired, yes.

>> No.26026  

>>26025
There's also what I mentioned in >>26015 with regard to changing the script, but that's nothing major and I will put it back if it should be as originally written.

>> No.26028  

No issues with any changes.

>> No.26035  

>>26018
If you'd like to write up some stylistic suggestions you may, but my approach is largely an effort vs. end result calculus.
I'd like to change the capitalization as I mentioned in my last post, but I'll wait to see if there is anything else you want changed.

>> No.26036  

>>26028
The dialogue I mentioned in >>26022 is actually page 32 not page 26.

>> No.26038  

Look like I made a cut and paste error or something here. No wonder it's confusing. Use this:

-3

I'm just realizing
### last box in panel 3

-4

That these feelings

Hehe
I promised I wouldn’t let you go, right?

Are from my first love.

Whump
### in bubble

>> No.26041  
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>>26038
Here's what it looks like.

>> No.26046  
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I've got a few suggestions for lines, boke, if you want to go over them and decide which to change.

>> No.26048  
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Here is another round of suggestions.

I've kept my pointed suggestions here minimal, and indeed I think they are the bare minimum for the chapter to reach a releasable state. I've opted against a more expansive QC for obvious reasons. I will say that you should review this chapter, look for all the bubbles with expressive fonts, and look to reflect that in your version.

While I can understand the argument of effort vs end results, I think you've fallen short of where you should be in this regard. When you refuse to do even basic redraws or font changes for expressive bubbles, you're doing a disservice both to the work itself and to the translator. Doing these things are not high effort, nor are they minute details—they're basic tasks that should be required of an editor.

It is ultimately schuyguy's decision on whether a work is fit for release, but if the recommendations I've given are too much work for you, consider contacting boke privately to release outside of the group. You can also work on /u/, which has little to no QC requirements. While we do not insist on professional or high quality releases, we do aim for it, and work to help each other improve. To welcome a refusal to put effort in would reflect poorly on all of us involved in this work, and on the group as a whole.

Regardless of what you decide, I will leave my involvement here. I think our attitudes toward scanlating are fundamentally incompatible. While I take no issue with a lack of experience or knowledge in this field, I do take issue with a refusal to do what I see as the bare minimum. If doing the series justice is not worth your time, then twisting your arm to make it releasable is not worth mine.

>> No.26051  

>>26048
To be clear, I've not refused to do anything you've said. I've made all the changes you requested up until now, including running through waifu2x and everything in the first QC doc. I've also said that I would be willing to read your recommendations on fonts, shaping, etc. you offered in your last post.

I am only honest in what I think and what my capabilities are. I should be able to state my opinion on any matter even if I've then deferred to everything you've then asked for after explaining your own. That you think I'm denying or refusing anything you say is, I think, misunderstanding, and I'm sorry for any part I might have had in it.

The only thing I have said I cannot do is complete redraws. Clone stamps (which I have done plenty on on this chapter) are the most I can do. I am not an artist and I cannot completely re-draw a character's hair or arms where it never even existed before.
If that is necessary then I will not continue on the project if it does not meet the set standards.

I've attached my PSDs for what I've had up through the first QC in case they will be useful to anyone down the line.
https://files.catbox.moe/go7h0z.zip

>> No.26054  

>>26048
>>26051

I'd like to apologize to you both, this dispute seems like a result of me being unclear what's expected for releases. One the one hand, we want the releases to look as good as possible, but on the other, we're all volunteers, and we're all amateurs. For my part, I can read Japanese pretty well, but I'm not fluent, so I know make mistakes, I know my translations could be better. And I know editing and QC both can take a lot of time and effort. At the end of the day, we just want to be able to share this manga with English readers.

I will release this chapter whenever you feel you've done what you can. Please continue to edit this series, if you still want to.



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